A reply to steven jake on the last superstition part 2. Discussing the historicity of jesus with a christian agnostic. The author is a christian trying to save and convert agnostics. May 16, 2014 steven jake of the christian agnostic and i have had some interesting discussions of metaphysics in the past, and he took the time to respond to my previous post, the death of metaphysics. I personally would consider my self an agnostic christian because im open minded and open to believe whatever i want. Conflating atheism and agnosticism is a mistake in a discussion over at buds blog dead logic, a reader asked a question i have been hearing more and more recently. An agnostic christian feels there is a god, but chooses not to worship it because there is no proof of a gods existence or non existence.
You may as well ask, what is the best book to prove to my friends that if i win at monopoly, i really do own the boardwalk. I am an agnostic because as the word is defined i am one that believes the god is unknowable. Jordan peterson brilliantly articulates how truth and science can be reconciled with the need for christianity in the modern world. Agnostic is a nonprofit and nonprophet community for people who are naturally good without any gods. Like the case for christ, this book is written at an introductory level. My comradeinblog and occasional sparring partner steven jake, who blogs at the christian agnostic, has to put it lightly not found lakoffs views quite so persuasive. Do you find it difficult to believe in god or accept the claims of christianity. You can read his original post in its entirety here, but i wanted to go ahead and repost my reply to him here for my own readers. This is the part of the big book where their blatant proselytizing for god happens.
Why i became an agnostic posted monday, february 14, 2005. He was willing to face death with a why on his lips. To say the least, this book is fantastic for so many reasons. Good books for a skeptic agnosticatheist whos interested in. Insofar as i may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what i say, i ask, if it matters, that i be forgiven for anything i may. Sometimes, in the comfort of a sunny afternoon, when much less is at stake, i have found the. Til we have faces i havent read most of philip yanceys books he has a bunch for learning about christanity, but ive read disappointment with god. About the book if you like the christian message but you are uncomfortable with much of the dogma, this book might be for you. My girlfriend is sort of the same way but we both go to a baptist church together sometimes. It was the summer between his freshman and sophomore year in college, and the first time he had this thought. Reliable information about the coronavirus covid19 is available from the world health organization current situation, international travel.
The word christian has had various different meanings at different times. Discussing the historicity of jesus with a christian agnostic believeingod. To one who feels he is an atheist or agnostic such an experience seems impossible, but to continue as he is means disaster, especially if he is an alcoholic of the hopeless variety. If a verse or topic does not belong, please contact us. Christian agnostic will show the world many of the bibles.
The two are the same, you cant be both, therefore,you have to be one or the other. They hold that it is difficult or impossible to be sure of anything beyond the basic tenets of the christian faith. Agnostic theism, agnostotheism or agnostitheism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. The target audience for we agnostics is relatively easy to define. The atheist asserts that there is no god, whereas the agnostic maintains only that he does not know. Like many in my family, i was required to attend a parochial lutheran school until the seventh grade. The widely known former minister of the city temple in london addresses this book to those present day men and women, particularly of the younger generation, who find much of traditional religion either unacceptable or boring, but who nevertheless insist that they are religiously deeply concerned. James challenges you to daringly enter a new realm of vulnerability as you learn to be honest about shortcomings, genuine in love, unguarded with motives. In my spare time i enjoy reading and discussing science, philosophy, and religion. In terms of articulating a positive case for belief. My story thoughts as a christianturnedagnostic church.
Reading guide for we agnostics amethyst recovery center. This classic book looks at the gospels most essential truths about who god is and how god loves us. Oclcs webjunction has pulled together information and resources to assist library staff as they consider how to handle coronavirus. Alongside the rejection of christ and the holy spirit as part of the godhead, weatherhead also taught that jesus was not sinless, merely morally superior, and that his death on the cross was unnecessary for god to save man.
Stephen king has had a careerlong battle with faith. Overall i believe in god but i wouldnt consider myself a religious person and theres certain things about the bible i do and dont believe. In fact, it has taken me over 20 years to finally reach this point. So much so, in fact, that he wrote a series of blogs posts on the book philosophy in the flesh which more or less lampooned it as a farcical attempt at philosophy by. The great divorce, the problem of pain, surprised by joy, and, one of my favorites, a novel. That said, a few weaker individuals among us have long lamented the fact that there is no easy reference guide. Popular agnosticism books meet your next favorite book. What is the difference between pagan, agnostic, and atheist. Agnosticism isnt so much a position on just the existence of god than it is a position on metaphysics. Christian agnostics practice a distinct form of agnosticism that applies only to the properties of god.
Read, highlight, and take notes, across web, tablet, and phone. Conflating atheism and agnosticism is a mistake in a discussion over at buds blog dead logic, a reader asked a question i. This distinction, however, is in two respects misleading. I read this book over 30 years ago when i was a struggling young christian trying to make sense of other philosophies and beliefs that i was exposed to, even drawn to. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. An agnostic holds that human knowledge is limited to the knowable, seeable natural world, that the mind is incapable of knowledge of the supernatural. Jan 08, 2014 steven jake, the author of the up and coming blog thechristian agnostic,1 wrote a rather thorough response to my lengthy comment asking him about the state of the evidence regarding the historical jesus. Discussing the historicity of jesus with a christian agnostic steven jake, the author of the up and coming blog thechristian agnostic, 1 wrote a rather thorough response to my lengthy comment asking him about the state of the evidence regarding the historical jesus. Its worth a look, believe me, and one which you may agree or disagree with, but enjoy the fact it gives you something to ponder. A christian chemist and an agnostic physicist discuss duration. They believe that god or a higher power exists, that jesus may have a special relationship with god and is in some way divine, and that god should be worshipped.
When he turned his skeptical investigative skills to the christian faith as an adult, he was surprised to find himself becoming a christian. The agnostic bible show me show me the word of the. A reply to steven jake on the last superstition part 4. Stephen king talks about god, afterlife, and what scares him. Although leslie weatherhead has titled this book the christian agnosticand therefore has made his target audience christian agnostics i personally believe that this book should be read by all stripes of christians as well as atheists and everyone in between. My route took me to an area where i was able to pick up a christian radio station. Lets say this is true and i reject god because of it and i turn out to be wrong. I am pleased he took the time to write a thorough response. I believe in what christ stands for, whether he did all the things hes credited with, i dont know, and neither does anyone else.
The christian god is not the unknown god of ancient athens acts 17 or modern marburg germany. May 15, 2007 from the christian agnostic 1965 leslie d. I did, when i was an atheist, but i changed my mind, and my reasons for doing so may be of interest to you in your own personal journey and attempts to make sense of life. The past week or two ive been reading and rereading an exceptional book the christian agnostic by leslie weatherhead. What are the best books on christianity a christian would. He wants us to get engaged, can i marry an unbeliever and continue to lead him toward salvation. How else are we going to get across to all the agnostic and atheist big book apologists that this book and its program as written in it is nonsense except by arguing bit by bit like you do, that it is indeed so. Like the velveteen rabbit, do you long to become real.
Our members have a wide range of views about what the site should be about. Agnosticism, therefore, is doubt regarding all things theological. They believe that god or a higher power exists, that jesus may have a special relationship with god and is in some way divine. I only feel that such a thorough response deserves my own more detailed. For others, its a place to recover from a religious past or to reaffirm ones nontheism. This belief was systemized in the1965 book by leslie weatherhead, the christian agnostic. I began to listen, especially to this one particular radio evangelist who didnt really preach sermons, but rather had more of a lecture format in which he discussed many theological. Insofar as i may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what i say, i ask, if it matters, that i be forgiven for anything i may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. This misconception extends to 12based treatment centers, who are accused of brainwashing their patients rather than treating a disease. Not only does it provide a way to solve problems with prayer, but it also offers an interpretation of scripture that is in keeping with the conscience of the modern reader. When asked what their religion is, many of those who are unsure of the existence of a god will reply agnostic. More on metaphysics, with steven jake the aunicornist.
Maybe there is something to this christianity thing. Isnt it odd that they would pretend to be agnostic for god. Five books for skeptics and seekers reasons for god. Jan 07, 2014 discussing the historicity of jesus with a christian agnostic steven jake, the author of the up and coming blog thechristian agnostic, 1 wrote a rather thorough response to my lengthy comment asking him about the state of the evidence regarding the historical jesus. Most anything by tim keller in terms of apologetics or answering. He treats me so wonderful and there is not a bad bone in his body, he respects my faith. Religion can offer a sense of peace and community, and even some pretty fun holidays. My story thoughts as a christianturnedagnostic church, bible, quote, faith user name. If you like the christian message but you are uncomfortable with much of the dogma, this book might be for you. Essential readings for the nonbeliever by christopher hitchens, the god delusion by richard dawkins.
Agnostic christianity a book by benjamin guy davis. To be doomed to an alcoholic death or to live on a spiritual basis are not always easy alternatives to face. For some, its a place to nurture humanist or nonreligious principles. Oct 12, 2008 i think this response to the question of if a christian can be agnostic is the best. It then helps the reader distinguish these truths from all the theological baggage the church has attached to them over the years. What they do not realize is that the bible has credibility, but that the christian world holds back its legitimacy, instead choosing to unintentionally make the bible appear weak because it refuses to embrace the more honorable method of searching for truth that the book promotes. You can read his original post in its entirety here, but i wanted to go ahead and repost my.
Hes written about a crazed evangelical mama in carrie yet acknowledged the power of belief in the stand. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard psalm 19. Steven jake, the author of the up and coming blog thechristian agnostic,1 wrote a rather thorough response to my lengthy comment asking him about the state of the evidence regarding the historical jesus. Nov 05, 2017 there were tons of books written about jesus in the early days of christianity, but many arent in the bible.
Mere christianity is the obvious one, but dont ignore his other stuff. Barry warren sat inside his red chevy blazer in front of the local music store. A reply to steven jake on the last superstition part 1. And so weatherhead wrote the christian agnostic for people who wanted to cut to the heart of the message of jesus. Barry considered himself a deist, or someone who believes in a higher power, but not that this higher power interacts with the universe. Steven jake, the author of the up and coming blog thechristian agnostic, wrote a rather thorough response to my lengthy comment asking him about the state of the evidence regarding the historical jesus.
The agnostic bible as a selfprofessed agnostic and former berean christian, i find the lack of intelligent discourse carried on these days to be appalling. The heavens declare the glory of god, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. I played around at first with the idea of calling myself an agnostic theist, but came to decide that didnt convey the respect i still have for my christian views. Find the top 100 most popular items in amazon books best sellers. Agnosticism is the view that the existence of god, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Oct 12, 2017 by using we in the title, it is insinuated that the authors are agnostic. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the god or gods that they believe in. Sep 03, 2005 agnostic christian is the same of saying atheist christian, the 2 cannot co exist, you either one or the other click to expand. Christs call to authentic living 9781582294292 by steven james. The definition i use for agnostic in the book is this. That said, a few weaker individuals among us have long lamented the fact that there is no easy reference guide to agnosticism or, common sense for them to utilize. Mere apologetics by alister mcgrath in terms of theology. Thats if he could come up with any idea of what the. Agnosticism in its primary reference is commonly contrasted with atheism thus.
Steven jake of the christian agnostic and i have had some interesting discussions of metaphysics in the past, and he took the time to respond to my previous post, the death of metaphysics. An agnostic theist believes in the existence of a god or gods, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown or inherently unknowable. Numerous and frequentlyupdated resource results are available from this search. Good books for a skeptic agnostic atheist whos interested in learning more about christianity with an open mind ive recently been exploring christianityfor about the 3rd time now ha and i read a few books that have really helped me out with a lot of things and have helped me to better understand christianity. Like many americans, i grew up in a christian home and there really were lots of great things about that. Although the rise of the socalled religious nones has been thoroughly discussed in christian circles over the past. And this book tries to tackle the most fundamental metaphysical question, while explaining why its so difficultand perhaps impossible to ever answer. Steven jake, the author of the up and coming blog thechristian agnostic, 1 wrote a rather thorough response to my lengthy comment.
I guess i also need to define christian, since we all have a different opinion on what that actually means. Do you have a wardrobe of masks that hide your true self. Throughout most of the centuries since the time of christ, it has meant a person who believed god and immortality and held that christ was god. Another definition provided is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that god exists or the belief that god does not exist. Warner wallace, spent decades researching cold case murders as a detective for l. May 21, 2008 i am an agnostic that is offended by much of what i read as carefully disguised christian theology in the big book particularly in the chapter to the agnostic. He is a god who created men and women as creatures capable of knowing his mind and will and who has made information about his mind and will available in sovereignly revealed truths.